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Sorry my Friend for creating another Mess here on Wiki!

Rolled up discussion. Involved parties are welcome to continue on their respective talk pages, should they want to.

But is was my fundamental duty to inform this to everyone. Educationtemple (talk) 18:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Yes, you are really stirring things up. ;) Well, if you think that there is a problem with this, then it is akin to a copyright problem and such cases should be discussed at the proper venue, such as perhaps Wikipedia:Copyright problems. I think you will become a great layer or scholar in the law department some day, but until then, please keep in mind that the Wikipedia is not a court room and you do not have to plead for you cases with such fervor. Normal discussions are quite adequate. ;) Best, w.carter-Talk 18:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

My friend, It was not a copyright issue, it was clearly the issue of Illegal usage/ act of dishonor to the Nation by Individuals (of course unknowingly). In fact, I was surprised when I received the barnstar (The Indian Barnstar of National Merit) from @Ugog Nizdast:. This Barnstar has Indian Flag in it. As for Law goes, we can use Indian Flag on our house and cars but we can not make it a symbol for something as per Flag code of India (to the best of my knowledge). Now coming to use of full of half Emblem, it is clearly not appropriate as being discussed on the page. I am not involving you in the discussion, but sharing (and of course taking your most sincere advise) since I said you my friend here on wiki and I know you are much more practical than me. cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple:Yes, I understand that it is a legal rather than a copyright problem (I said "akin to" above, that means "similar to"). And of course it should be discussed. But since the WP does not have a forum for legal things, other that the Wikipedia:Arbitration, the only logical place to start such a discussion is at the nearest thing, the copyright section, while making it clear that it is a bit above copyright. Start there and see where the discussion heads off to next. It is better to bring it to the attention of people who knows something about laws than on ordinary talk pages. That is why I suggested it. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 19:15, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

You could also try the Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). w.carter-Talk 19:18, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

It was not fun!! I dont care if wiki bans me for saying something true. I just mention this on India talk page so that some senior admin take this discussion to appropriate page (which I was not aware of). But if someone from wiki itself make fun of it, and suggest to "pack and go home" then what I alone can do!! I need not to do also, since it is a legal matter related to Nation (India) and as a responsible citizen, I informed, now it is the responsibility of at least all Indian Admins and Editors to think about it and discuss to reach to an appropriate conclusion. Educationtemple (talk) 19:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I never said it was fun either. Sorry, did I say something that you misunderstood? Of course you should speak the truth, but make your voice heard where people understand what you say and can do something about it. I get this picture of you right now in my head. If laws are broken here, then it is a very serious matter. The only problem is where to discuss it. As for legal issues, not even Indian admins knows everything about them. Many specialists here are not admins, but can be reached at other forums. w.carter-Talk 20:05, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, my English!! I did not use this word 'Fun" for you, I used it for someone who said elsewhere - "Pack and go home" . Hay....how can I say this to you??? Not even in dream! Educationtemple (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Good night. Educationtemple (talk) 20:19, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Good night to you too my friend, sleep well. I'll stay up a bit longer. Best, w.carter-Talk 20:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

The discussion was really tiring one and went on for almost 10 hrs! But hope something will precipitate now. Educationtemple (talk) 04:21, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi there my friend. I finally summarized the issue and also reported. Educationtemple (talk) 14:40, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
No one seems to be willing to understand my points about Indian Emblem. I am thinking to present this issue in our next Bar Councils meeting and it will then be picked up by Indian Media from there since it is an important meeting for us where top legal experts and scholars sit to take cognition of issues of great importance. It would be a big disgrace to WP and legal issue for some editors if this happen and matter goes in media. Educationtemple (talk) 14:20, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple:Even if I have no knowledge about all the finer points in the emblem discussion, I have to say that to take such action as you suggest above sounds like a really, really bad idea. Things like that should be resolved within the Wikipedia at the right forum. Trying to resolve things by going to a legal forum and the press to disgrace the Wikipedia will only do more harm than good. Also ping @Yunshui: who is the only one I can think of who would now where such legal matters should be discussed. Best, w.carter-Talk 17:48, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

OK. Lets see how to solve this. I am right at my end and Commons editors also agree now partially that it may be illegal thing to display such distorted emblem. Educationtemple (talk) 18:19, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Additionally, I also wish to solve this problem within wiki, but WP admins on common simply washing hands by saying that "Yes it is probably illegal in India but it is the uploaders responsibility". Then some way has to be identified to inform uploaders (who are most probably Indian editors) to not do such Probable illegal acts, and thats why the idea of Media came in my mind where the Indian uploaders themselves retract these images and delete them from WP and WP commons. Sorry, I am just sharing with you, you are free to not reply or not comment on this. Educationtemple (talk) 19:01, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Leaving aside the fact the Wikipedia is hosted in the USA, and therefore is not subject to Indian national laws, the Flag Code specifies that There shall be no restriction on the display of the National Flag by members of general public, private organizations, educational institutions, etc., except to the extent provided in the Emblems and Names (Prevention of Improper Use) Act, 1950 and the Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act, 1971. The relevant sections of these acts prohibit the use of the flag for the purpose of any trade, business, calling or profession, or in the title of any patent, or in any trade mark of design and general defamation (burning, defacement, destruction etc.). Since barnstars are not used for trade or professional (i.e. paid) purposes, nor are they patented or trademarked, the use of the flag in a barnstar does not constitute a violation of the Code. And even if it did, Wikipedia is not subject to it; the flag code is applicable only to the use of the flag in India itself, and has no international weight. Yunshui ^雲 _水 19:13, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank You so much for lending us your expertise. You really do know more about these things than a "copyright lawyer". ;) Cheers, w.carter-Talk 19:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Yunshui:, I think discussion was about Emblem, and Flag code of India talk about Flag of India NOT Emblem of India. Both are different. Please read Section 1.2, which explain how it has international weight. Also please read Section 10, which clearly says that Emblem cannot be used on "badges" (read point No 1, 2, 3 of this section). I had not objected flag on barnstar, I informed about Emblem of India on Barnstar (1, 2, 3) and that also distorted, half Emblem which is not allowed if it is done by any Indian in India or abroad - and most of the editors who have done this are on wikiproject India and they are Indians. If Indian Government note that some Indian are involved in displaying the half/distorted Emblem on Wikipedia, it will certainly be a legal issue for Editors (may not be for Wiki). Can we help those Editors?? I at least don't see wikipedia and wiki editors separately and I see a point if wikipedia make sure that its editors don't involve themselves in some illegal acts, and if they do by mistake then inform them of the happening, rather than just justifying its safe position. You are invited to comment on this issue further here or here, where the matter is being discussed in full details. Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 19:27, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry my friend, I have closed my protest to this issue now with the following note and I am very saddened on the fact that no Indian Editor (except one more other than me) here on wiki did open their mouth at all on this issue -

"All right. It is not a problem of Wikipedia (as most admins commented above), but as stated above by one admin, it may be the problem of India. India is not a country of me alone, it is the country of 120 million and thousands of editors here on wikipedia. As a responsible citizen of India, the maximum I could do at this stage is that bring it to the notice of top officials of Government of India in a neutral manner. They have more knowledge than us about their statutes, their rules and Emblem of India and they are right people to decide if this was a violation at anyone's part or if it is OK to use these images/distorted images on barnstars. I close my protest to this here. Cheers!" Educationtemple (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

The Flag Code (like any other national law) applies only to citizens of India, and this is actually specified in the sections you have linked to; since Wikipedia editors, as a collective, are not Indian citizens (although individuals within the editing community may choose to identify themselves in this way), the law does not apply. The use of the term "badge" elsewhere in the document indicates that the term "badge" is being used to refer to a physical object, not a non-physical representation such as a barnstar, so you are also on rather shaky ground there. However, as you say, you would need an expert in Indian law to decide this matter, which isn't me.

It's worth noting, though, that even in the hypothetical event that you took this to India's highest court and they decided that the barnstar was an illegal use of the flag, that ruling would still have no authority over Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation. In addition, it would likely put you in violation of Wikipedia's rules regarding legal action or the threat of legal action, which would mean you would be blocked form editing Wikipedia until the case was concluded. Yunshui ^雲 _水 07:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

This is an open forum, anyone can read these discussions, anyone can see those barnstars, they are not secret. Anyone other than me can take a note of these issues at any time. I have neither threatened any editor of wiki, nor I have any such plan in future, what I did just initiated a honest discussion on talk page, where everyone has equal rights to put forward the views. rather, you seems to be threatening me that I would be blocked on wikipedia. Is this discussion a secret one that no one can read and can take note of this?? Thousands of eyes watch wiki day and night and they are on job all the time. Educationtemple (talk) 09:38, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

also - "A polite, coherent complaint in cases of copyright infringement or attacks is not a "legal threat". as per wiki's definition. This is what I had been doing on talk pages and since there is no consensus, I gave up the matter on the fate of the WP and India as a Nation. Read, I wrote that India is not my alone, it is of 120 millions. let them or someone from them who is capable take this matter further, or not take it on their discretion. I am fed up since no logical argument work here only the vote seems to be counting and I have no votes on this matter!! Educationtemple (talk) 09:48, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple: Ok, enough of this on my talk page. I will be rolling up this discussion here soon since it is going nowhere. Educationtemple: Yunshui is not threatening you in any way, he is just citing what is said in the rules. It seems to be standard procedure to block an editor while a court matter involving the WP and said editor is ongoing. Nothing personal. You must also remember to 'ping' someone you are addressing in a discussion, since I'm guessing that person is not me and you are on my talk page. You cannot expect Yunshui to keep track of all the discussions vying for his attention. Please take this discussion to the talk page of any one of the involved parties if you wish to continue it. w.carter-Talk 09:58, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

I already closed it W.carter here as well as elsewhere, at my end. I already requested @Yunshui: to discuss this on appropriate talk page, but he only continued here with above comment. Any way...this discussion is really not going anywhere. lets take rest. Educationtemple (talk) 10:03, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Help

You made an edit by the summary please remove the external links from the body of the text. I have pinged you at teahouse: please explain the user exactly what s/he needs to do. The user has lesser than 300 edits and is probably unaware of most of these (what to say: cautions/alerts)
aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 20:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Thank you, I was about to explain to the new editor, but events In Real Life got in the way. I'm back now. :) w.carter-Talk 20:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay! :)
aGastya ✉ Dicere Aliquid :) 20:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Question

Hello, You suggested I clean up the page for Frederick T Mackenzie, which I just moved to Fred T Mackenzie (scientist). You suggested I delete external links. Can you tell me if I should delete all links or only certain ones? Thank you. Littleiiwi Littleiiwi (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

@Littleiiwi:Hi, and welcome! I have started to leave you some notes on your talk page, I suggest we continue the conversation there so you will have easy access to all the info later. See you, w.carter-Talk 20:32, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Tonight's the night

Whishing all of you visiting my talk page a very Trevlig Valborg! ("Pleasant Walpurgis Night")!
w.carter-Talk 08:08, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

(Yes, it is yet another Swedish holiday when we use the darkness as an excuse to set things on fire and have a party.)

I take it that the local chemical weapon stockpiles have been broken out from their storage sites for the occasion. Ceannlann gorm (talk) 11:20, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

How very perceptive of you. ;) w.carter-Talk 11:28, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

Moved to User:W.carter/things I have received

WOW! That was really nice of you. Looking forward to working with you again. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 21:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

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Melee

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DYK nomination of Harley Gaber

Hello! Your submission of Harley Gaber at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah, since I did not create the article, I merely helped a new user with the nomination since it is his first article, I have no access to sources and will forward your question to the article's creator. w.carter-Talk 06:36, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Quick question in reply to your asking for an additional citation on the Harley Gaber article ... I took a look at the third paragraph under the section Music and wasn't sure which sentence you wanted me to specify a source for. That paragraph does include two citations, but not all sentences enjoy citations, I know. Please advise. Morees68 (talk) 05:50, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Morees68, I think that Yoninah was referring to the entire section. There has to be a ref at the end of each section. Another editor, Gerda Arendt, very kindly stepped in and added a reference there which fixed the problem. w.carter-Talk 06:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks for clarifying. Is this now the last query that has been cleared? And does that mean that the article goes to the nominating committee for a "go" or "no go" decision? Morees68 (talk) 04:58, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Morees68: Everything is now "go" for the article's DYK. :) The article itself was accepted long ago, this just means that it such a well written article that it is deemed appropriate to present it on the main page as an example of what new knowledge the WP has to offer. The DYK for it is now in the system for an appearance in the DYK section on the main page. You can follow it all at Template:Did you know/Queue. It is now in Prep area 5, with picture and all (which is a great honor), and will soon be moved up to the Queue. There is a timetable on the page so that you can see when it will be on the main page. You will also be alerted when that happens. Congratulations on a very successful article! We are looking forward to your next. w.carter-Talk 07:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Who is allowed to remove a <stub> reference?

I've taken your encouragement to heart, and edited an article: Tuba Skinny. It's another music article, and was tagged as a <stub>. Since I'm a newbie, I wasn't sure if I had the authority to remove this <stub> tag. But after investing quite a bit of work in expanding the content of the article, I took the liberty of removing that identifier. Have I done the right thing? Or the wrong thing? Please advise. Morees68 (talk) 17:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Morees68! Very nice indeed. :) You certainly did the right thing. Any editor who expand an article beyond the criteria for a stub article can remove such a tag. If you are uncertain about what a stub is, you can read about them here: Wikipedia:Stub. It was also a good thing that you created a talk page for the article and explained what you had done. The explaining is not strictly necessary, but since you are a newbie, it is good that you tell others what you are doing. (Well, you won't be able to call yourself a newbie for long now, the way you are learning and making good edits.) ;) I checked the article for you, and there were only two places where refs are needed. I put ^{[citation needed]} at those. That tag can be removed when a ref is added, by you or someone else. Ideally, every section in an article should end with a reference. I also added a project tag and a classification for the article on the talk page. Most articles belong to some project, you can find out which to add by looking at articles covering similar subjects. So, all in all, a job well done! Please continue with your editing if you feel like it, and you are always welcome here if you run into some snags or if there is anything you want to ask. If you expand or create an article, please let me know so I can just check it quickly until you are a bit more experienced. Best, w.carter-Talk 18:09, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

@Morees68: Oh, and I saw that if everything goes according to schedule Harley Gaber will appear on the Main page in an hour or so. It will be very exciting to see how many views it will get during its 12 hours there. Be advised though, that articles on the main page sometimes attract vandalism during their time there, but don't worry, there are always administrators standing by to restore and protect those articles. It is an unfortunate side effect of "being in the spotlight" and I was a bit shocked the first time it happened to me. But that's how it is. We will have the result from this in a day or so. Cheers, w.carter-Talk 18:20, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

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On 13 May 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Harley Gaber, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Die Plage, created by composer and visual artist Harley Gaber (pictured), is a historical narrative of Germany, from the Weimar Republic to the end of World War II, in 5,000 canvases? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Harley Gaber. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Thank you for your help with DYK Victuallers (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for helping me the other yesterday with infoboxes. I still haven't quite mastered them, but I know how to use them. Philipnelson99 (talk) 17:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Philipnelson99, glad I could bring some lights on the subject. I don't think anyone will ever "master them" though.

You are always welcome here if there is anything you wonder about. No question is too silly. This page is sometimes like the Grand Central station for questions, and we'll try to help you as well. Are you working on some specific article where an infobox is needed? I saw that you were trying to create some kind of infobox yourself, or ...? Cheers, w.carter-Talk 18:08, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I was trying to create an infobox, just to see if I could do it, but I did get a little confused. I'm not working on an article that needs an infobox, I'm just trying to figure them out. I didn't get the infobox set up though. Thanks Again, Philipnelson99 (talk) 21:40, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

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What's the right way to approach revising an article in a more complete way?

Well, I have a big question for you this time. An article on a subject of considerable controversy has been flagged for repairs by Wikipedia editors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_United_States_involvement_in_the_Vietnam_War I'd like to rise to the call, and begin improving the article. But on review of the article in full, and after sending it to friends who are historians, I'm reluctant to start nibbling at the edges. A series of small fixes is not, in my view, what's needed. I believe that much of the existing article is flawed in ways that are rather fundamental. (I will provide a specific critique of the piece tomorrow, if you like.) Because I've seen other entries' <view history> pages reflect a back-and-forth series of edits and counter-edits that look more like combat than constructive editing. And I certainly don't want to trigger anything like that. So what I'm asking is how your editorial crew would like to proceed.

Note ... the topic of this article -- opposition to the U.S. war in Vietnam -- is now very timely. It marks the 50th anniversary of the U.S. commitment of ground troops in May 1965, and on April 30, it was the 40th anniversary of the U.S. exodus from Vietnam. I'd welcome your advice here greatly. Morees68 (talk) 01:24, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Whao!! Hi Morees68, well this is certainly what I would call going in at the very deep end, and way beyond what I have ever done here on the WP, and being Swedish I'm not at all that familiar with American politics during that era. But having read what you have written on your user page, you might be able to pull this off. It is a massive article on a hot subject which is bound to attract a lot of attention once you start doing anything to it. The "back-and-forth edits" you mention are commonly known as edit wars here, it is good that you are aware of those and try to avoid them. In fact, the entire thing is so big that I will invite/ask a more experienced and senior editor, Philg88 (Help! <panic!>), to read my advise on this and maybe leave additional comments or contradict mine.

First of all let me give you some statistics to let you know what you are up against, since I'm not sure you know how to access those data: The article is read by approx. 1,000 readers every day, it has been written by over 1,000 editors over ten years. These are both daunting facts for any editor here. The editor who originally created the article seems to no longer be active on the WP, so unfortunately no one to ask for advice. There does not seem to be one single large contributor to the article, so probably no editor who can claim "ownership" of the article. The talk page has been silent for almost half a year, so no major discussions going on. And there are of course the tags that no one seems to have objected to, so a rewrite is in order.

Let me tell you how I would go about doing this. First, I would copy the entire article to a seperate sandbox where I could examine the article more closely without accidently disrupting it in any way. You can have multiple personal sandboxes, you create them the same way as you created your user page by clicking on a red link and write something. This one could be called User:Morees68/sandbox-2. After that you can start working on the article in the sandbox, rewrite it and improve it, but keeping the same sections as in the original article. Working in the sandbox this way will give you a better overview of the entire article, than improving it section by section would. I would also be very, very, very, very sure to provide references from reliable sources for every new fact I introduce in the article! This is the only way you can justify your edits here. The "but I know this" doesn't work here. You also need to read up on what is considered a reliable source.

When you think you have something to present to the world, invite other editors to take a look at your work in the sandbox and help/comment/criticize it. I can help you with technical details and such, but not with the facts I'm afraid. You should also present your work on the article's talk page. If you and your work survive this, you can then start to transfer the new text to the real article section by section, or even sentence by sentence. The only thing I have done that comes close to this is an improvement of a non-controversial article where I am working in this manner of between the article and a sandbox. You can never ever transfer the entire text by copypasting/substituting it, since this would break the copyright for the previous contributors and make it very hard for other editors to see what has been altered.

The whole thing is quite a project if you are to keep it within the lines of what the WP community is comfortable with. Be advised, taking on this before you have made more edits here or created a few more articles may burn you out and get you in more trouble than you might expect. But then again, if you were active in the underground movement during the Vietnam War, I guess that you are no stranger to confrontations and hard tasks. Please read all the pages I have linked to in this comment. A more experienced editor might go about fixing the article in a different way, but as a new editor (here, not IRL

) it is better to be cautious. Best, w.carter-Talk 08:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful precautions. I took a deep breath, and decided to read all the pages you guided me toward. At this point, I just wanted to say "thanks" for the guidance, and let you know that I'm not ready for editing wars. But I am thinking of other approaches to building more useful and intelligent content. To be continued... Morees68 (talk) 23:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@Morees68: "Useful and intelligent" are two words we like very much here. I'm sure you will not do anything hasty, but go about this in a well thought out way. We are always here to guide and help you. Until later, w.carter-Talk 07:24, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Morees68: Just to endorse what W.carter says, what you propose is not for the fainthearted. I'm not trying to discourage you, but you should be aware that there is an awful lot of internal politics and etiquette involved in editing controversial articles, particularly when what you propose is effectively a rewrite. The article has 104 editors watching it, and they will all have their own view on what it should or shouldn't contain. To avoid a potentially nasty experience, go slowly and make sure that anything that you add or change is supported by reliable sources. Whatever you do, don't get involved in an edit war because things will only go downhill from there. I wish you good luck and will no doubt hear if it all goes wrong, at which point I shall arrive wearing my fireman's helmet and try to extinguish the flames! Philg88 ^♦talk 09:12, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. I'm reconsidering my options, in light of your advice. Appreciatively ... Morees68 (talk) 23:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Military on Gotland

On 19 May 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Military on Gotland, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that after a ten-year hiatus, Sweden will reestablish its previously unbroken 200-year military presence on Gotland (unit crest pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Military on Gotland. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Harrias ^talk 00:01, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 May 2015

From the editor: Your voice is needed: strategic voting in the WMF election
The Wikimedia Foundation's bi-annual Board of Trustees election is open for voting. Of the ten seats on the board, three are elected representatives of the global Wikimedia community—you.

In focus: The awful truth about Wikimedia's article counts
The article counts of many Wikimedia wikis suddenly changed on 29 March 2015: as the Signpost reported at the time, sixty-five wikis fell below milestones tracked at the Wikimedia News Meta page, and three increased to new milestones.

Traffic report: Inner Core
The list is topped this week by Danish scientist Inge Lehmann, thanks to a Google Doodle celebrating her 127th birthday. Lehmann discovered in 1936 that the Earth has a solid inner core. It is sometimes surprising to realize how recently such basic scientific knowledge of the Earth, which we now take for granted, was discovered.

News and notes: A dark side of comedy: the Wikipedia volunteers cleaning up behind John Oliver's fowl jokes
Wikipedia editors logging in on May 19 found themselves walking into an unexpected amount of anti-vandal work to keep the site in line with its extensive biographies of living persons policy. A plethora of Wikipedia articles related to the United States House Committee on Appropriations, and the fifty-one representatives serving on it, have been hit by a raft of anonymous editors making often vulgar edits referencing "chicken fucker," or more creative combinations: "sexual conduct", "sexual congress", "fornicator", "intimate relations", or "trysts with chickens."

Featured content: Puppets, fungi, and waterfalls
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In the media: Jimmy Wales accepts Dan David Prize
Jimmy Wales and five others accepted the 2015 Dan David Prize at Tel Aviv University on May 17. The prize comes with US$1 million, ten percent of which goes to doctoral and postdoctoral scholarships.

WikiProject report: Cell-ebrating Molecular Biology
This week, we had the pleasure of interviewing WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology, which has come a long way since our last interview in 2008. Like most projects, it has a long member list, but only a small subset of that group regularly contributes. With 28 featured articles and 58 top-importance start class ones, the project has clearly had some success, but has a ways to go. We talked to three regular project contributors.

Arbitration report: Editor conduct the subject of multiple cases
The Arbitration Committee has an unusually large case load at present. Although perhaps not on a par with the high-profile, multi-party cases seen towards the end of last year and the beginning of this year, with five open cases the arbitrators are likely to be kept busy for the next several weeks.

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DYK/Military On Gotland

Looks like we're on! Ceannlann gorm (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Or am I celebrating a bit early here? Ceannlann gorm (talk) 20:35, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

A wee bit, but we are getting there. Next thing is for an admin or something to come along and close the reviewed thing and move the DYK to one of the prep areas at Template:Did you know/Queue. If you have the Template:Did you know nominations/Military on Gotland on your watchlist (like I have), you will see when that happens. A closed review looks like this. BTW, I have no idea what was going on but at the beginning of this week there were military vehicles all over the island and planes in the air all the time. Could not find anything about an exercise in the local media, but it was a lot of action to be sure. w.carter-Talk 20:46, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That'll be the Russians invading

Philg88 ^♦talk 20:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Philg88:Hence, my present secret activities.

w.carter-Talk 20:58, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Something tells me I'm better off not knowing! Ceannlann gorm (talk) 21:16, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

What? Moi??

w.carter-Talk 21:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

对不起，我不知道你在干吗！ Philg88 ^♦talk 21:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Med andra ord, precis som det ska vara! w.carter-Talk 21:45, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Banzai! Now we're off! :) w.carter-Talk 22:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Ooops sorry, you can have a glass too Philg88! :) w.carter-Talk 22:20, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Cheers! Ceannlann gorm (talk) 15:03, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Did you see the stats? 12,250 views for the 12 hours! That's really something. w.carter-Talk 20:36, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 May 2015

News and notes: WMF releases quarterly reports, annual plans
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In the media: Scrubbing Parliamentary biographies; Wikipedia's invisible history
British media reports on Wikipedia editing to articles of Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom prior to the May 7 United Kingdom general election from IP addresses assigned to Parliament.

Discussion report: A relic from the past that needs to be updated
To many, Internet Relay Chat is an old relic, but not to Wikipedia. Wikipedia currently has an IRC help channel designated to help and assist editors with editing Wikipedia.

Featured content: When music was confined to a ribbon of rust
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Recent research: Drug articles accurate and largely complete; women "slightly overrepresented"; talking like an admin
Wikipedia's articles on drugs are pretty good – good enough to impress even doctors. A new research study adds some substance to that impression.

Traffic report: Summer, summer, summertime
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Technology report: MediaWiki blows up printers
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The Signpost: 03 June 2015

News and notes: Three new community-elected trustees announced, incumbents out
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Blog: How Wikipedia covered Caitlyn Jenner’s transition
Caitlyn Jenner—the American hero of the 1976 Olympics, a film actor, and prominent member of Keeping Up with the Kardashians—may now be the most famous openly transgender person in the world.

Discussion report: The deprecation of Persondata; RfA – A broken process; Complaints from users on Swedish Wikipedia
Since the dawn of Wikipedia, or at least since 22 December 2005, the template named Persondata has existed.

Featured content: It's not over till the fat man sings
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Technology report: Things are getting SPDYier
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Special report: Towards "Health Information for All": Medical content on Wikipedia received 6.5 billion page views in 2013
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In the media: Anonymous Australian editing targets football player, shooting victim
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Traffic report: A rather ordinary week
The traffic report is nothing unusual this week, with a Google Doodle for astronaut Sally Ride topping the list, the accidental death of famous mathematician John Forbes Nash, Jr. at #2, and the normal fare of recent popular American movies and television.

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Read In Another Language

Hello there. I am trying to read an article which exists in English in my own native language but there does not exists an option to choose the language I'm trying to read. What to do? Please help. Thank You! (Maheshlightp (talk) 13:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC))

Hi Maheshlightp, I need to know which article you are talking about if I'm to give you a correct answer. Which one is it? All articles are not translated to all languages, so you may have to use Google translator instead. Best, w.carter-Talk 13:44, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi User:W.carter the article that I was trying to read in another language was Parabola and the language I was trying to read is Nepali (नेपाली) Please make me more bright. Thank you! (Maheshlightp (talk) 14:05, 4 June 2015 (UTC))

@Maheshlightp: Ok. Unfortunately the article has not been translated to Nepali yet. The translation of articles on the Wikipedia to other languages is not an automatic function. Someone has to take the time to do it manually. Unfortunately no one has done so with this article yet, so it simply does not exist in that language. One way you can have it translated automatically is by using one of the translating functions on Google Chrome or simply copy sections of the article into Google translate. When I did that with the first section, I got this:

A parabola (/pəˈræbələ/; plural parabolas or parabolae, adjective parabolic, from Greek: παραβολή) is a two-dimensional, mirror-symmetrical curve, which is approximately U-shaped when oriented as shown in the diagram below, but which can be in any orientation in its plane. It fits any of several superficially different mathematical descriptions which can all be proved to define curves of exactly the same shape.

एक पाराबोला (/ pəræbələ /; ग्रीक देखि बहुवचन parabolas वा parabolae, विशेषण पैराबोलिक,: παραβολή) लगभग तल चित्र देखाइएको रूपमा उन्मुख गर्दा यू आकारको छ जो एक दुई-आयोमी, दर्पण-symmetrical वक्र, छ, तर जो हुन सक्छ यसको विमान मा कुनै पनि अभिमुखिकरण मा। यो सबै ठीक त्यही आकृति घटता परिभाषित साबित गर्न सकिन्छ धेरै superficially विभिन्न गणितीय वर्णन को कुनै बस््छ।

This is as much as I can help you. You can also talk to one of the Nepali translators here and see if they have some tips for you. Good luck! w.carter-Talk 14:28, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Languages

User:W.carter Thank you for your previous help. I need a little more help. As I checked, the page Dracula has been recently translated to नेपाली language. However, it still does not appears as an option to read in that translated language of the page. How can we make it possible to link the page with its recently translated page. Please make it clear. (Maheshlightp (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC))

Hello again Maheshlightp! When an article has been translated it has to be linked in the Wikidata. You do this by clicking on the "Edits links" with the little pen in front in the "Languages" section in the lefthand column on the page Dracula. This will open the article's page at Wikidata. Look at the section called "Wikipedia(53 entries) [edit]" (you have to scroll down a bit). Click on "edit" and add the Nepali language code (I don't know which that is) plus the name in Nepali, at the bottom where it says "site". Click save, and the link to the new article is made. w.carter-Talk 11:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 June 2015

News and notes: Chapter financial trends analyzed, news in brief
This week saw the publication of the Chapter-wide Financial Trends Report 2013, a now-completed research project that examines the finances and outlays of the 36 movement-affiliated chapters.

Traffic report: Two households, both alike in dignity
"Happy families are all alike," Leo Tolstoy said, "but unhappy families are unhappy after their own fashion."

In the media: Arbitration case attracts media coverage; Wikipedia in Israel
UK media covers Wikipedia Arbitration case; Lila Tretikov visits Israel.

Featured content: Just the bear facts, ma'am
Four featured articles, two featured lists, one featured topic, and twenty-eight featured pictures were promoted this week.

Technology report: Wikimedia sites are going HTTPS only
Today it was announced that Wikimedia sites are going to become HTTPS only, finishing up 10 year effort of rolling out HTTPS.

Blog: Making Wikipedia’s medical articles accessible in Chinese
The Medical Translation Project, an ambitious attempt to improve and translate Wikipedia’s medical content from English into other languages, began in 2012.

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Wikicode for adding custom buttons on my userpage

Dear sirs

I know how to do this in HTML, but I have no idea how to do this in wikicode. Could you help?

NetworkOP (talk) 12:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi there NetworkOP, long time no see! :) Ok, what kind of buttons do you want? A "button" on the WP usually is a picture with some extra coding attached to it. Like if I wanted to do a button here that links to your user page I could do it like this:

the code being [[File:Desktop computer clipart - Yellow theme.svg|80px|link=User:NetworkOP]]

If you click on it/(hover), it goes to your page. If you want some text to go with it, you can create a picture that includes the text and upload it to the Commons (only use pictures that are copyright free and describe the license accurately when you upload it).

Or you can use the Table system and get this:

User:NetworkOP

Look in the editing window for the code for this one.

There are also a bunch of readymade templates that you can use at Wikipedia:User page design center, more precisely at Wikipedia:User page design center/Menus and subpages. You can start with these, please ask me more if this was not what you were looking for.

And BTW, there are no "sirs" at the Wikipedia. Any other User/editor is just "Hey, you there!" Cheers, w.carter-Talk 13:41, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@NetworkOP: Oh, and to learn how to work with pictures, you should read the guide User:Yunshui/Images for beginners. w.carter-Talk 13:59, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.NetworkOP (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 June 2015

In the media: Wikipedia wins Asturias Prize; printing out Wikipedia; HTTPS switch
The Princess of Asturias Foundation announced that Wikipedia would be the recipient of the 2015 Princess of Asturias award in the category of International Cooperation.

Arbitration report: An election has consequences
The Arbitration Committee delivered its final decision in a case that reached the attention of the UK national press.

In focus: Three weeks to save freedom of panorama in Europe
This would end a long-standing tradition in many countries that the skyline and the public scene should belong to everybody.

Op-ed: Making a difference in Wikipedia, one GA at a time
We need to be ever-diligent in ensuring that articles remain of high quality.

Technology report: HTTPS-only rollout completed; proposal to enable VisualEditor for new accounts
The rollout of HTTPS only has now been completed across all Wikimedia wikis.

Interview: A veteran’s Wikipedia edits help him understand the brutality behind Yugoslavia’s wars
We interviewed an Australian veteran who deployed to the region as a peacekeeper and now writes articles on the region's history to help him understand what he encountered there.

News and notes: Labs outage kills tools, self; news in brief
A more than usually severe outage Wikimedia Labs occurred after a massive database corruption implosion on June 17.

Featured content: Great Dane hits 150
Six featured articles, seven featured lists, and seven featured pictures were promoted this week.

Discussion report: A quick way of becoming an admin
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WikiProject report: Western Australia speaks – we are back
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The Signpost: 24 June 2015

From the editor: The Signpost tagging initiative
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Op-ed: Content Translation beta is coming to the English Wikipedia
The Wikimedia Foundation's Language Engineering team plans to introduce Content Translation—a tool that makes it easier to translate Wikipedia articles into different languages—as a beta feature on the English Wikipedia.

Special report: Small impact of the large Google Translation Project on Telugu Wikipedia
During 2009–2011 Google ran the Google Translation Project (GTP), a program utilising paid translators to translate most popular English Wikipedia articles to various Indian language Wikipedias.

Featured content: One eye when begun, two when it's done
Four articles and nine pictures were promoted to featured status this week.

Recent research: How Wikipedia built governance capability; readability of plastic surgery articles
One paper looks at the topic of Wikipedia governance in the context of online social production.

Technology report: 2015 MediaWiki architecture focus and Multimedia roadmap announced
This past week saw the kick-off of the 2015 MediaWiki architecture focus of improving our content platform.

News and notes: Board of Trustees propose bylaw amendments
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In the media: Turkish Wikipedia censorship; "Can Wikipedia survive?"; PR editing
The Hürriyet Daily News reports that the Turkish Wikipedia has posted banners on the top of the encyclopedia to warn users that a number of articles are being blocked by the Turkish government.

Blog: 7,473 volumes at 700 pages each: meet Print Wikipedia
After six years of work, a residency in the Canadian Rockies, endless debugging, and more than a little help from my friends, I have made Print Wikipedia.

Arbitration report: Politics by other means: The American politics 2 arbitration
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DYK for Bulverket

On 26 June 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bulverket, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that thousands of logs that were the 12th-century wooden fort Bulverket, built in the middle of Sweden's Lake Tingstäde, can still be seen through the ice in winter? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bulverket. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:50, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Gabbar Is Back

Some IP users are trying to inflate the boxoffice figures. I am pretty sure that the movie grossed 87 crores in India and worldwide collection is less than 150 crores. Bollywood hungama's boxoffice report. I have corrected two times. They are adding it as 256 crores worldwide. If they come back again with a new IP, what i will do?. --Silver Samurai 10:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

@Silver Samurai: Hi! Well some vandals can be pretty persistent, and if "they" come back under another IP you can not be 100% sure it is the same user. If the number in the article is supported by a reliable source, the only thing that can be done for the moment is to revert the edits. If this goes on for days you should bring it to the attention of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and ask to have the page protected due to persistent vandalism. w.carter-Talk 11:09, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I got red notice above my page. My page was patrolled by W. Carter. How this patrol happens?--Silver Samurai 11:13, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

@Silver Samurai: The red little box is how you see that someone wants to get in touch with you, or have done something that you should be aware of. The reason you got that notice now is just because I took a look at a new page you created (your user page), saw that there was nothing bad on that page and gave it an ok. Every time a new page is created there will be a small text at the bottom of the page saying "Mark this page as patrolled". This is visible to anyone except the the creator of the page. This is how pages are given a first ok check. I think I have an un-patrolled page myself (User:W.carter/nice things) where you can see this and maybe patrol the page for me. You do that by clicking on the text. For more on this read Wikipedia:New pages patrol/patrolled pages. w.carter-Talk 11:35, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Moved to User:W.carter/things I have received

Hello User:Jim Carter! Thanks! Long time no see. How are you? I'm trying to clean up an old list of articles to fix and that takes up most of my time right now, but I sneak out to the Teahouse now and then anyway. ;) Cheers, w.carter-Talk 11:12, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

As I'm now an arbcom clerk, I generally do Arbcom related tasks only. I really miss creating and improving existing articles. This is still miles from becoming GA (Remember that?). Also, it looks like Educationtemple retired! Bad for Wikipedia, we lost another good enthusiastic editor. :( Jim Carter 11:25, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

@Jim Carter: Ah, yes, I remember. Well, it might yet be a GA. "There is no deadline on the WP". It took me a year to get around to my list, so who knows. There have been some editors lost, unfortunately that seems to happened when cultures clash as they inevitable do on an international site like this. Take care, w.carter-Talk 11:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 01 July 2015

News and notes: Training the Trainers; VP of Engineering leaves WMF
This week The Center for Internet and Society published a promotional blog post highlighting the heritage of the center's creation of the Train the Trainer program.

In the media: EU freedom of panorama; Nehru outrage; BBC apology
A week now remains until the vote, expected on 9 July, when the European Parliament will express either its approval, disapproval, or lack of opinion on the question of freedom of panorama in the European Union.

WikiProject report: Able to make a stand
Here to share their wisdom are Dodger67, Penny Richards, LilyKitty, and Mirokado of WikiProject Disability

Featured content: Viva V.E.R.D.I.
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Traffic report: We're Baaaaack
For the week of June 21 to 27, 2015, the 10 most popular articles on Wikipedia, as determined from the report of the most viewed pages.

Technology report: Technical updates and improvements
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community.

Blog: These Texans are on a quest to improve Wikipedia’s coverage of their state’s revolution
Like many editors of the world's largest encyclopedia, Karanacs was browsing the site's articles and found that they were of relatively poor quality—and that the traditional narrative she'd learned was not necessarily accurate.

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DYK for Lummelunda Cave

On 10 July 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lummelunda Cave, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Lummelunda Cave (entrance pictured) is one of the longest caves in Sweden? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lummelunda Cave. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 11:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

A carregar…

User talk:W.carter/Archive 9

Sorry my Friend for creating another Mess here on Wiki!

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